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		<title>By: Weekly Gathering &#124; Beginning Singer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Gathering &#124; Beginning Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also check out “How Much is Too Much?” which really reminded me of the discussion on my post “Strength vs. Technique” (it also introduced me to the New Forum for Classical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite quote from this thread, thusfar, is by Andrew:

&quot;Sure, Tara isn’t going to become an NFL lineman, and I’m not going to give birth, but we can all become strong singers, graceful and wise.&quot;

I love it.

Seriously, though, having been a singer who relied a lot on strength to make up for what I was (unknowingly) lacking in technique...and, then, losing that strength in sickness...I can say that BOTH are very important. I believe it is about balance. I do believe that strength is not necessarily taught enough and, perhaps, it is because teachers do not want to lead anyone who is pushing their voice to lean more on the strength aspect. However, I think it is important that both are taught so that the student will know methods for developing both, when the time comes to incorporate something back in that was being too heavily relied on, before. Andrew, do you have any suggestions for building strength, aside from getting general exercise and doing regular vocal warm-up and practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite quote from this thread, thusfar, is by Andrew:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sure, Tara isn’t going to become an NFL lineman, and I’m not going to give birth, but we can all become strong singers, graceful and wise.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love it.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, having been a singer who relied a lot on strength to make up for what I was (unknowingly) lacking in technique&#8230;and, then, losing that strength in sickness&#8230;I can say that BOTH are very important. I believe it is about balance. I do believe that strength is not necessarily taught enough and, perhaps, it is because teachers do not want to lead anyone who is pushing their voice to lean more on the strength aspect. However, I think it is important that both are taught so that the student will know methods for developing both, when the time comes to incorporate something back in that was being too heavily relied on, before. Andrew, do you have any suggestions for building strength, aside from getting general exercise and doing regular vocal warm-up and practice?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! You explained that very well. Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Sidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Sidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Johanna the 40 year old male rock singer :). I think you&#039;re right about focusing on the types of contractions. Strength may come more from an appropriate balance of muscles.

If we think about some support models, there is indeed an element of eccentric contraction and also isometric contraction.

For example, &quot;La lotta vocale&quot; is the &quot;contest&quot; between inhalation actions and exhalation actions. We displace this effort to the breathing musculature so that our poor vocal folds are not the only structures slowing down the breath from escaping.

As we begin the phrase, if we do balance inhalation and exhalation, there will be a concentric contraction in our abdominals but an isometric contraction in our inhalation muscles, like the intercostals, to slow down the abs and to prevent collapse. As we run out of air, this force becomes too great for the inhalation muscles, so the contraction becomes an eccentric contraction because they are contracting even while they are lengthening. This is all done to control the airflow rate.

These contractions take real strength, and they can tire you out quickly if you are not accustomed to them. From &lt;a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Wikipedia:&lt;/a href&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite&gt;Muscles undergoing heavy eccentric loading suffer greater damage when overloaded (such as during muscle building or strength training exercise) as compared to concentric loading...While unaccustomed heavy eccentric contractions can easily lead to overtraining, moderate training may confer protection against injury.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is probably something similar happening between the various muscles of the larynx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Johanna the 40 year old male rock singer <img src='http://iansidden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I think you&#8217;re right about focusing on the types of contractions. Strength may come more from an appropriate balance of muscles.</p>
<p>If we think about some support models, there is indeed an element of eccentric contraction and also isometric contraction.</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;La lotta vocale&#8221; is the &#8220;contest&#8221; between inhalation actions and exhalation actions. We displace this effort to the breathing musculature so that our poor vocal folds are not the only structures slowing down the breath from escaping.</p>
<p>As we begin the phrase, if we do balance inhalation and exhalation, there will be a concentric contraction in our abdominals but an isometric contraction in our inhalation muscles, like the intercostals, to slow down the abs and to prevent collapse. As we run out of air, this force becomes too great for the inhalation muscles, so the contraction becomes an eccentric contraction because they are contracting even while they are lengthening. This is all done to control the airflow rate.</p>
<p>These contractions take real strength, and they can tire you out quickly if you are not accustomed to them. From <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction rel="nofollow"> Wikipedia:</a></p>
<blockquote cite><p>Muscles undergoing heavy eccentric loading suffer greater damage when overloaded (such as during muscle building or strength training exercise) as compared to concentric loading&#8230;While unaccustomed heavy eccentric contractions can easily lead to overtraining, moderate training may confer protection against injury.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is probably something similar happening between the various muscles of the larynx.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the last post. I&#039;m obviously not a 40 year old male rock singer. LOL. I&#039;m teaching one. :-D</description>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you&#039;re discussing the issue of strength. That is something I have  neglected in my training because I&#039;ve received so much feedback over the years about being a hyper-functional singer (pressing too hard and thickening my registration). The issue of balancing strength and technique seems to be about the placement or displacement of strength in the body. I&#039;m referring to the strength in the muscles of support and the release of articulators, extrinsic musculature, and thick mass of the folds in ascending pitches. However, I&#039;m still questioning the whole process because muscles are complex.

I&#039;m currently a 40 year old male rock singer. Despite his battles with cancer, he is a very strong singer. His support seems strong but slightly squeezed down, despite instruction to expand up and out.  It&#039;s causing me to  wonder about the different qualities of strength. This question comes largely from my lack of knowledge about anatomy, but is it useful to think of muscular support in terms of eccentric contraction (muscle fibers lengthen) rather than concentric contraction (muscle fibers shorten)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re discussing the issue of strength. That is something I have  neglected in my training because I&#8217;ve received so much feedback over the years about being a hyper-functional singer (pressing too hard and thickening my registration). The issue of balancing strength and technique seems to be about the placement or displacement of strength in the body. I&#8217;m referring to the strength in the muscles of support and the release of articulators, extrinsic musculature, and thick mass of the folds in ascending pitches. However, I&#8217;m still questioning the whole process because muscles are complex.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently a 40 year old male rock singer. Despite his battles with cancer, he is a very strong singer. His support seems strong but slightly squeezed down, despite instruction to expand up and out.  It&#8217;s causing me to  wonder about the different qualities of strength. This question comes largely from my lack of knowledge about anatomy, but is it useful to think of muscular support in terms of eccentric contraction (muscle fibers lengthen) rather than concentric contraction (muscle fibers shorten)?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Sidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Sidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping that someone would notice that man&#039;s form in the picture. :)

Andrew, your comment brings up a good point. &quot;Strength&quot; can mean a variety of things in different contexts. In Tara&#039;s response, the strength she was probably referring to the strength that can push and push look powerful. But you, Andrew, referred to &quot;adapt&quot;-able strength, which is the response by the body to new stresses placed upon it. It learns to deal with them.

Part of the reason to adapt like that is to avoid injury. This would imply that a major way to avoid injury while singing -- beyond singing with efficient technique -- is to maintain sufficient strength so that the muscle, bone and connective tissue can withstand the pressures of singing.

Thanks for the feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping that someone would notice that man&#8217;s form in the picture. <img src='http://iansidden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Andrew, your comment brings up a good point. &#8220;Strength&#8221; can mean a variety of things in different contexts. In Tara&#8217;s response, the strength she was probably referring to the strength that can push and push look powerful. But you, Andrew, referred to &#8220;adapt&#8221;-able strength, which is the response by the body to new stresses placed upon it. It learns to deal with them.</p>
<p>Part of the reason to adapt like that is to avoid injury. This would imply that a major way to avoid injury while singing &#8212; beyond singing with efficient technique &#8212; is to maintain sufficient strength so that the muscle, bone and connective tissue can withstand the pressures of singing.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture next to your blog illustrates a point: the fellow lifting the weight has sufficient strength, but his technique is very bad, and he runs the risk of hurting himself in a variety of ways. Also, he would need less strength if he had better technique. On the other hand, if he had the technique and not the strength (not just of muscle, but bone and connective tissue) he would be unable to lift the weight, and he risks hurting himself in a variety of ways.

My old master teachers were all excellent singers. They poured a flood of technical information into me, but they were also strong people who often emphasized the development of strength. One can think of strength training as just another form of learning: the muscles, bones, connective tissues, neurological pathways learning to adapt to a challenge by adding to their resources.

That is good news. Learning is very egalitarian and that a thing can be learned means we are not simply assigned to and trapped in categories of strong and weak, smart and stupid, sensitive and insensitive, clumsy and graceful. If we have the drive, curiosity, and willingness to change we have considerable freedom. Sure, Tara isn&#039;t going to become an NFL lineman, and I&#039;m not going to give birth, but we can all become strong singers, graceful and wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture next to your blog illustrates a point: the fellow lifting the weight has sufficient strength, but his technique is very bad, and he runs the risk of hurting himself in a variety of ways. Also, he would need less strength if he had better technique. On the other hand, if he had the technique and not the strength (not just of muscle, but bone and connective tissue) he would be unable to lift the weight, and he risks hurting himself in a variety of ways.</p>
<p>My old master teachers were all excellent singers. They poured a flood of technical information into me, but they were also strong people who often emphasized the development of strength. One can think of strength training as just another form of learning: the muscles, bones, connective tissues, neurological pathways learning to adapt to a challenge by adding to their resources.</p>
<p>That is good news. Learning is very egalitarian and that a thing can be learned means we are not simply assigned to and trapped in categories of strong and weak, smart and stupid, sensitive and insensitive, clumsy and graceful. If we have the drive, curiosity, and willingness to change we have considerable freedom. Sure, Tara isn&#8217;t going to become an NFL lineman, and I&#8217;m not going to give birth, but we can all become strong singers, graceful and wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Sidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Sidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for comment, Tara. Those are excellent points. It&#039;s true that uncontrolled strength can lead to wretched singing.

Part of my reason for asking the question is that I worry that we teachers don&#039;t spend enough time on &quot;strength training&quot;. Back to my experience with the guitar for a moment; a player may understand how to play a barre chord, but without sufficient strength and dexterity, that player will &lt;em&gt;never be able to play it&lt;/em&gt;.

I am certain that the same applies to singing. But I am not sure what part of singing falls into that category. High notes? Legato? Maybe.

Franco Corelli had an interesting idea about breathing (alas, I do not have the book &lt;em&gt;Great Singers on Great Singing&lt;/em&gt; here, or else I would just quote him). He thought that we singers spend to much time analyzing the technical aspect of breathing, and that simply by getting strong enough &lt;em&gt;in the throat&lt;/em&gt; breath would become a non-issue.

That might be an example where strength trumps technique in an exceptional singer. Of course, who knows exactly what he was doing with his breath? Perhaps he had stellar breath technique but poor articulation of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for comment, Tara. Those are excellent points. It&#8217;s true that uncontrolled strength can lead to wretched singing.</p>
<p>Part of my reason for asking the question is that I worry that we teachers don&#8217;t spend enough time on &#8220;strength training&#8221;. Back to my experience with the guitar for a moment; a player may understand how to play a barre chord, but without sufficient strength and dexterity, that player will <em>never be able to play it</em>.</p>
<p>I am certain that the same applies to singing. But I am not sure what part of singing falls into that category. High notes? Legato? Maybe.</p>
<p>Franco Corelli had an interesting idea about breathing (alas, I do not have the book <em>Great Singers on Great Singing</em> here, or else I would just quote him). He thought that we singers spend to much time analyzing the technical aspect of breathing, and that simply by getting strong enough <em>in the throat</em> breath would become a non-issue.</p>
<p>That might be an example where strength trumps technique in an exceptional singer. Of course, who knows exactly what he was doing with his breath? Perhaps he had stellar breath technique but poor articulation of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Great questions. To me, technique means playing/singing healthily. It means that whatever demands the music might put on the musician that he is prepared to tackle it without straining the body... So technique lacking strength can be functional, and more importantly, harmless to the instrument. This doesn&#039;t work as well the other way around. Strength lacking technique can be... scary. We&#039;ve all heard big voiced, strong singers warbling (and sometimes wobbling) towards a technical train-wreck. On the other hand, we&#039;ve also heard lovely, technically adequate voices that aren&#039;t especially strong or exciting.

But have we ever heard really exceptional technical singers who are weak? -Or exceptionally strong singers that lack technique? Maybe you can think of some examples. I can&#039;t. It seems that at the professional level of singing, one must have developed both aspects of the art. Without the marriage of the two, a singer is limited.

If I had to pick a favorite child.... technique.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Great questions. To me, technique means playing/singing healthily. It means that whatever demands the music might put on the musician that he is prepared to tackle it without straining the body&#8230; So technique lacking strength can be functional, and more importantly, harmless to the instrument. This doesn&#8217;t work as well the other way around. Strength lacking technique can be&#8230; scary. We&#8217;ve all heard big voiced, strong singers warbling (and sometimes wobbling) towards a technical train-wreck. On the other hand, we&#8217;ve also heard lovely, technically adequate voices that aren&#8217;t especially strong or exciting.</p>
<p>But have we ever heard really exceptional technical singers who are weak? -Or exceptionally strong singers that lack technique? Maybe you can think of some examples. I can&#8217;t. It seems that at the professional level of singing, one must have developed both aspects of the art. Without the marriage of the two, a singer is limited.</p>
<p>If I had to pick a favorite child&#8230;. technique.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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