Tenor or a Baritone? 5 Questions to Help you Decide

Do you know what the real definition of a lazy tenor is?
A very rich baritone!
Thomas Hampson

Last Spring, I switched from baritone to tenor. Since I wrote about it, a lot of people have found this blog by asking the question via Google: Am I a tenor or a baritone?

The answer: it depends.

Fach IdentityIt's not everyday that you see Werther  sung by a baritone.

There is a lot of identity that goes with singing within a certain fach (voice type). One person’s personality may be attracted to one kind of character over another, but their voice may point them in a different direction.

Baritones, alas, tend to play more villains (Scarpia, Jago, Jud Fry, Javert) or ‘dudes of questionable integrity’ (Count Almaviva, Oppenheimer) than tenors.

At best, tenors tend to be lovers (Nemorino, Fenton, Rinuccio, Rodolfo, Alfredo, Faust) and heroes (Siegfried, Jean Valjean), and, at their worst, they can be jerks (Pinkerton) or creeps (Hermann), but they are rarely murderers (Don José).

If you are a baritone who wants to play heroes all the time, your options may be limited in opera (both Figaros, Valentin) and more plentiful in musical theater (Curly, Lancelot, Marius).

In my situation, I was looking at a handful of baritone roles that I could credibly play. I was hoping that I could be the next Thomas Hampson and get some of the rarely performed baritone versions of popular tenor roles tenor roles transposed (Werther ). Something was amiss.

Questions to Ask Yourself

None of these questions are fool-proof. Some baritones have high passaggi and some tenors have a hard time with high C’s, but these can get you thinking more clearly about who you are:

  1. Are you uncomfortable or in pain?

    If you feel sore when you sing, whether it’s high or low, then you may want to try something else. If A2 on the bass clef feels bad to you, then you may be a higher voice. But if E4 feels bad to you even after regular practice, then you may have a low voice.

  2. Where is your passaggio?

    Where is the most unstable area of your voice? That’s your passaggio. Usually, it is a good guide to help you decide whether you are a high or low voiced person. While I was singing baritone, I could never sing G’s very loudly and was worried about that. Well, I couldn’t sing them loudly because they are within my passaggio.

    Normally, we speak of having two passaggio breaks: the first break (primo passaggio) and the second break (secondo passaggio) with a zone in between (zona di passaggio).

    For me, the zona di passaggio feels similar to singing on a tight rope where one wrong move will cause me voice to flip in and out of falsetto in a fluttery kind of way. It is also difficult to hear my own voice properly there.

    Here is the chart from Richard Miler’s The Structure of Singing laying out men’s passaggio points (with those in parentheses being alternates):

    Voice Type primo passaggio secondo passaggio
    tenorino F4 Bb4
    tenore leggiero E4 (Eb4) A4 (Ab4)
    tenore lirico D4 G4
    tenore spinto D4 (C#4) G (F#4)
    tenore robusto (tenore drammatico) C4 (C#4) F4 (F#4)
    baritono lirico B3 E4
    baritono drammatico Bb3 Eb4
    basso cantante A3 D4
    basso profondo Ab3 (G3) Db4 (C4)

    Test out your voice by singing a truly pure “Ah” vowel beginning in your speaking voice area. As you ascend, you will reach a point where you have to tilt your jaw up if you continue to sing in the exact same manner as you began. That’s your primo passaggio. A fourth above is your secondo passaggio. This doesn’t work in 100% of cases, but it usually is helpful.

  3. What are the extremes of your range?

    I knew that I could sing C5 about 5 years ago when I listened to some tenors and concluded, “I can do that”. I would sing it, but for years I didn’t trust those high notes.

    Trust yours. If you have extremes on either side of your voice like extreme low notes or extreme high notes, then admit that they might be telling you something. They may not be developed and strong. But a tenor will not be able to sing B1. If you can, then perhaps you should avoid singing tenor rep. Baritones can’t sing Eb5 outside of falsetto. If you can…

  4. What is your reaction to other singers?This gives "Big Mouth Frog" exercises a whole new context

    If you listen to a singer and think “Yes, we can!”, then give it a shot and see. Try what they do. Don’t get attached because it might be wrong for you right now, but there’s nothing wrong in trying something out once. Your gut may be telling you something.

    If you feel inadequate after listening to a singer or a sense that it is totally beyond you, then maybe that repertoire is not right for you.

  5. Are you faking it?

    You may not feel any discomfort or pain when you sing, but you may be faking it. Examples of baritone “fakery” include a tongue shoved into your throat or an overly lengthened vocal tract by shoving your lips outward. You may be pulling your top lip down to darken your sound. You may be modifying your vowels too early to create an artificially low passaggio. You may sound incredibly loud to your own ears but small voiced to everyone else.

    Fake tenors may have a larynx that is pulled up into the backs of their throats. Or they may be shouting their high notes just to force them out. To give the appearance of a high passaggio, they may keep their voices spread instead of modifying their vowels appropriately. This sound may not sound like singing at all and may be highly unpleasant to listen to (though even the prettiest voice can sound unpleasant if it’s loud and in a small room).

    Try singing as simply as you can for awhile and forget all of your technique. Just intone some “Ah”s and try to avoid creating any tension in your throat. Record yourself. What do you hear?

Do I have a choice?Melchior made the switch. Should you?

For most people, the answer is ‘no’. For most people, they are clearly in one camp or the other, and there is very little they can do to alter that. The question becomes “What kind of (bass,baritone,tenor,alto,mezzo,soprano) am I?” That takes time to learn as well.

But for some others, they may have a choice. Lauritz Melchior sang as professional baritone before he switched up, and he must have been credible to audiences at the time. Thomas Hampson could probably have made a credible tenor, but he’s done ok for himself.

The choice to remain or change is a highly personal one. If you are toying with the idea then talk to your teacher (and maybe several; I got a second opinion with my teacher’s blessing) and take some time to play with it. There’s no harm in play.

[Have you made a change in your fach? What was the experience like? Was it easy, hard, in between?]

{“Si se puede” frog by artfulblogger.}

14 comments to Tenor or a Baritone? 5 Questions to Help you Decide

  • Lee Brown

    I am not really a singer but I find it fascinating. While trying to figure out if I was a Baritone or Tenor, I found this site. Based on the info from the chart it seems as if I am a dramatic tenor or either a high baritone. I can sing a C4 without straining or going over into head voice. The highest note I can get to is F4(maybe F#4) and then somewhere along here is when the “flip” happens.

  • olru

    The baritone version of Werther is by Massenet himself, written in 1902. But still your point stands, there aren't that many lyric baritone superstars like Hampson.

  • Ian

    For not being a singer, you have a pretty good idea about how your voice works! I'm glad the chart was useful for you.

    I've found that passaggi points can also be different on different days depending on our health. So it very well may move back and forth between F and F#.

  • Ian

    @olru Corrected. Thank you for pointing that out.

  • Armando

    Wow this is great! I love this! according to this I’m either a tenorino or a leggiero. I think I’ll have to wait until my voice heals from pharyngitis for me to know for sure though.

  • Ian Sidden

    I’m glad you found it helpful! I hope your throat feels better soon.

  • Armando

    Hehe. I’m almost 19 though. Do you think my voice will darken at least a semi-tone more or stay pretty much the same?

  • Ian Sidden

    It might, but you never know for sure. Since I haven’t heard you, I won’t make a prediction beyond saying that in your 20′s and early 30′s, you’ll learn a lot about your voice and what is right for it. It might change dramatically or very little.

    For an example of a dramatic change, my most recent voice teacher began as a light lyric tenor who sang Donizetti and Rossini and was hoping to sing a lot of Britten roles. Then in his 30′s, he had a major change and he began singing heavier roles until he was singing the heaviest Wagner Heldentenor roles in Germany.

    On the other hand, Alfredo Kraus was always skeptical of singers whose voices dramatically changed over time. He sang the same repertoire from his early 20′s until the day he passed at age 70.

    You never know. Just pay attention to what feels right for your voice.

  • .....

    I´m 23 y’o male and i always felt that i had an almost “alto” kind of voice (a very childish and very bright tone, by the way, and i still have it). I tested my voice with this site and the note when i change registers (the first one that sounds cracked, or when a crack happens) is F4. Am i doing this right?. The one that i must take in consideration is the last one of chest (E#4) of the first one of passaggio (F4)?. Does this makes me a high tenor?

  • Ian Sidden

    @….. Not being able to hear you, it would be unwise for me to label you one of any type. I really suggest that you find a good voice teacher in your area and seek some outside guidance. However, to continue exploring your voice on your own you can:

    1. Look at your Adam’s apple and compare it to other singers’. It sounds simplistic, but men with long Adam’s apples tend to be lower voiced because it (the tip of the thyroid cartilage) can give you an idea of how long your vocal folds are. Just like a piano, longer thicker folds mean lower tones while shorter thinner folds mean higher tones. It’s not the whole story, but it can tell you something.

    2. Feel your larynx while you sing. If it yanks upwards toward the back of your mouth, then that can create a childish tone. But if it’s low and stable and you still find your voice to be high, then that may tell you that you are a higher voiced man.

    3. Compare where you speak with someone who has a clear high or low voice. Basses and baritones tend to speak at a lower general pitch range than their tenor counterparts. Find one of those guys and compare. It would be even better to find a piano and know exactly what pitch you tend to average while you speak. Then you can see how much higher you are.

    4. Play with passaggio strategies. Usually, to sing [a] up and down their voices, men need to modify their lip shapes to “aw” (at the beginning of the passaggio) then “oh” then “oo” (this is right at the top) then begin to open again to “uoh” (like “book”) then “uh”. Really exaggerate your lip shapes and find what vowel shapes work best at certain pitches. By changing the shape of your mouth, some notes will become a lot easier. Find those shapes and notes and that will tell you a lot about your voice.

    5. Monitor yourself. If you have a camera or a mirror watch yourself like crazy. See what strategies you use to sing higher notes. Then go to Youtube and watch other singers and compare. You can learn a lot about yourself this way.

    Hope this helps. Sorry for the slow response, I’ve been on a long road trip.

  • ...

    Thanks for your response. Answering items:

    1.-Adam’s apple: Small but it’s there.
    2.-Larynx: It seems to disappear completely after F4 and up.
    3.-Piano: The lowest note c3, the highest round E5 +/- F5.

  • ...

    2.-Larynx: It seems to disappear completely after F4 and up.

    Explaining point 2: At F4 my adam’s apple goes up (seems to disappear). Lower than that seems fine.

  • Ian Sidden

    @… All of your responses suggest that you’re a tenor and most likely a high one. However, I still suggest that you find a teacher to work with you. Your description of your larynx disappearing suggests that you have some technical challenges to overcome. One’s larynx ought to remain stable – and somewhat low – throughout his voice, and that takes time to work out.

  • ...

    Thanks.
    I’ll keep it
    in mind

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